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	<title>Comments on: Philadelphia Weekly&#8217;s Coverage</title>
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	<description>The National Effort to Save the SS United States, Our Nation&#039;s Flagship</description>
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		<title>By: Karl Spence</title>
		<link>http://ssunitedstatesconservancy.org/SSUS/blog/189/comment-page-1/#comment-555</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Spence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 23:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been a member of SSHSA for many years and visited the UNITED STATES many times while she was laid up in Norfolk in the &#039;80&#039;s. You use the QUEEN MARY as an example of a stationary ship/hotel. The QUEEN MARY would have very little interest had she been totally stripped to the bare passageways.

The UNITED STATES like any other liner was famous for her interior as well as her machinery plant, exterior lines, etc. In the case of the UNITED STATES the interior is gone and with it 99% of my interest in what happens to the ship. Even if it was restored it would cost tens of millions to duplicate its original interior and it would still be a duplicated interior.

Good luck but many of us have little interest in a 
stripped shell of a ship. Where was the 
&quot;Foundation&quot;, &quot;Conservatory&quot; etc back when it might of been possible for the ship to have been preserved, before Hadley held his famous auction? I assume that when the price of aluminum rises, the ship will be sold as scrap. Too late guys. Enjoy the QUEEN MARY.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been a member of SSHSA for many years and visited the UNITED STATES many times while she was laid up in Norfolk in the &#8217;80&#8217;s. You use the QUEEN MARY as an example of a stationary ship/hotel. The QUEEN MARY would have very little interest had she been totally stripped to the bare passageways.</p>
<p>The UNITED STATES like any other liner was famous for her interior as well as her machinery plant, exterior lines, etc. In the case of the UNITED STATES the interior is gone and with it 99% of my interest in what happens to the ship. Even if it was restored it would cost tens of millions to duplicate its original interior and it would still be a duplicated interior.</p>
<p>Good luck but many of us have little interest in a<br />
stripped shell of a ship. Where was the<br />
&#8220;Foundation&#8221;, &#8220;Conservatory&#8221; etc back when it might of been possible for the ship to have been preserved, before Hadley held his famous auction? I assume that when the price of aluminum rises, the ship will be sold as scrap. Too late guys. Enjoy the QUEEN MARY.</p>
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		<title>By: donald mooney</title>
		<link>http://ssunitedstatesconservancy.org/SSUS/blog/189/comment-page-1/#comment-119</link>
		<dc:creator>donald mooney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 18:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Media attention! They love a good story,get it on the news.Why do we have the Queen Mary and our flagship rots doesn&#039;t anyone in our government care?We are so pathetic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Media attention! They love a good story,get it on the news.Why do we have the Queen Mary and our flagship rots doesn&#8217;t anyone in our government care?We are so pathetic!</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne  Steigerwalt</title>
		<link>http://ssunitedstatesconservancy.org/SSUS/blog/189/comment-page-1/#comment-47</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne  Steigerwalt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I lived in Philly until 2002,  and I visit &quot;the boat&quot; every time I get back there. I have taken thousands of pictures of her and the best are blown up and framed in my home.  I attended several meetings before the split, and long for her to be saved as much as anyone. 

But Mr.  Westovers statements continue to confuse me.  We are to DEMAND or FORCE  NCL  to do our bidding....But assuming they do not appreciate being treatened  What is our or else??????    Will we never tak an NCL cruise???  THat should terrify them.   

Since they own the ship, and will have total say in wat happenes to it, maybe beng friends is our only hope?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lived in Philly until 2002,  and I visit &#8220;the boat&#8221; every time I get back there. I have taken thousands of pictures of her and the best are blown up and framed in my home.  I attended several meetings before the split, and long for her to be saved as much as anyone. </p>
<p>But Mr.  Westovers statements continue to confuse me.  We are to DEMAND or FORCE  NCL  to do our bidding&#8230;.But assuming they do not appreciate being treatened  What is our or else??????    Will we never tak an NCL cruise???  THat should terrify them.   </p>
<p>Since they own the ship, and will have total say in wat happenes to it, maybe beng friends is our only hope?</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Bennett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 18:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This finger pointing is not helpfull. Lets keep our eye on theh ball here. Let&#039;s have real dialogue on what we can and cannot do. We can buy the ship, we can get her towed to New York, we can rahab her into a hotel and attraction. I am sure that the City and State of New York would love to have her home as an attraction. A beautiful and permanent addition to the water front history of the city. I am sure that the unions would be happy to get involved with this venture. It would create jobs not only in the rehab, but the hotel also. I am quite sure that Gibbs and Cox would be happy to assist in the design and drawings for such a project. After all, is this not thier masterpiece? If the consevancy is a 501(c)3 corporation, would it nor behoove NCL/Star Cruises to donate her to us? I am sure the tax credits would be worth more to them than what they would get from a scrap dealer.
What we cannot do is make her a moving ship again. She is way too costly to operate. Her technology is way too far out of date. I am a brave man, but I would not have the nerve to light a boiler that has been dormant for forty years. Anyone remember what happend to the SS Norway in Miami? She was still in service, and went to the beach of doom in Alang as it was too costly to replace the boilers. Now she is razor blades. 
Let&#039;s not point fingers at each other. It is not productive. Let&#039;s have serious dialogue and be pragmatic about it. We as a nation have sent too many jobs to India already. Let&#039;s not send her our Nations Flagship also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This finger pointing is not helpfull. Lets keep our eye on theh ball here. Let&#8217;s have real dialogue on what we can and cannot do. We can buy the ship, we can get her towed to New York, we can rahab her into a hotel and attraction. I am sure that the City and State of New York would love to have her home as an attraction. A beautiful and permanent addition to the water front history of the city. I am sure that the unions would be happy to get involved with this venture. It would create jobs not only in the rehab, but the hotel also. I am quite sure that Gibbs and Cox would be happy to assist in the design and drawings for such a project. After all, is this not thier masterpiece? If the consevancy is a 501(c)3 corporation, would it nor behoove NCL/Star Cruises to donate her to us? I am sure the tax credits would be worth more to them than what they would get from a scrap dealer.<br />
What we cannot do is make her a moving ship again. She is way too costly to operate. Her technology is way too far out of date. I am a brave man, but I would not have the nerve to light a boiler that has been dormant for forty years. Anyone remember what happend to the SS Norway in Miami? She was still in service, and went to the beach of doom in Alang as it was too costly to replace the boilers. Now she is razor blades.<br />
Let&#8217;s not point fingers at each other. It is not productive. Let&#8217;s have serious dialogue and be pragmatic about it. We as a nation have sent too many jobs to India already. Let&#8217;s not send her our Nations Flagship also.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Hudson Westover</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Hudson Westover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 20:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just some of the things the SS United States Foundation has accomplished in the past six years (the first two could not be carried beyond the work of the foundation without support from NCL which never materialized): 

•Nominating the United States for the National Trust for Historic 
Preservation’s “11 Most Endangered Historic Sites” list (2005). 
•Initiated work for listing the Big U as a National Landmark (the next 
highest designation beyond placing on the National Register of Historic Places—2005). 
•Public lectures and meetings in both Philadelphia and New York attended by hundreds of supporters (04/05/06). 
•A DVD multi-media presentation and new ad campaign by SmithGifford (05/06/07/08). 
•Extensive national media placements (ongoing) 
•Advocating in Congress (meeting with elected officials distributing SSUSF materials—ongoing.) 

Yes, compared to the amazing accomplishments of the six years before this, it would seem the Foundation didn’t accomplish “anything” and perhaps in the strictest interpretation we didn’t. But in our defense, 
we didn’t have the ear of NCL. We didn’t get funding from them. We did what we could and I for one am proud of what we did.  It’s too bad Mr. McSweeney can’t see these accomplishments for what they were and more 
importantly how the Conservancy should have supported them. Because had they, we would have been talking about saving a National Landmark right now. 

Enough said. Enough read. Let’s just do this. 

Robert Hudson Westover 
Chairman, 
SS United States Foundation 
Washington, DC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just some of the things the SS United States Foundation has accomplished in the past six years (the first two could not be carried beyond the work of the foundation without support from NCL which never materialized): </p>
<p>•Nominating the United States for the National Trust for Historic<br />
Preservation’s “11 Most Endangered Historic Sites” list (2005).<br />
•Initiated work for listing the Big U as a National Landmark (the next<br />
highest designation beyond placing on the National Register of Historic Places—2005).<br />
•Public lectures and meetings in both Philadelphia and New York attended by hundreds of supporters (04/05/06).<br />
•A DVD multi-media presentation and new ad campaign by SmithGifford (05/06/07/08).<br />
•Extensive national media placements (ongoing)<br />
•Advocating in Congress (meeting with elected officials distributing SSUSF materials—ongoing.) </p>
<p>Yes, compared to the amazing accomplishments of the six years before this, it would seem the Foundation didn’t accomplish “anything” and perhaps in the strictest interpretation we didn’t. But in our defense,<br />
we didn’t have the ear of NCL. We didn’t get funding from them. We did what we could and I for one am proud of what we did.  It’s too bad Mr. McSweeney can’t see these accomplishments for what they were and more<br />
importantly how the Conservancy should have supported them. Because had they, we would have been talking about saving a National Landmark right now. </p>
<p>Enough said. Enough read. Let’s just do this. </p>
<p>Robert Hudson Westover<br />
Chairman,<br />
SS United States Foundation<br />
Washington, DC</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 20:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Money talks, b-s walks.
You have mailing lists of many, many people who love and want to save the SS United States. I am on those lists.

Let&#039;s pool our resources and BUY the SS United States.

Then we can work on finding a home for it, restoring it, making it into a floating hotel, restaurant, museum or tourist attraction - whatever.

If 5,000 people chipped in an average of $3,000, that&#039;s $15 million.

You can put me down for a contribution of $10,000.

Let&#039;s do this. We can join forces with the other groups that want to save the Big U, and we can make this happen. But not by writing letters, or appealing to Congress or the NCL.

Let&#039;s BUY HER and SAVE HER.

Robert Gamer &#039;New York to Le Harve, September, 1954&#039;
Franklin Lakes, NJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Money talks, b-s walks.<br />
You have mailing lists of many, many people who love and want to save the SS United States. I am on those lists.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s pool our resources and BUY the SS United States.</p>
<p>Then we can work on finding a home for it, restoring it, making it into a floating hotel, restaurant, museum or tourist attraction &#8211; whatever.</p>
<p>If 5,000 people chipped in an average of $3,000, that&#8217;s $15 million.</p>
<p>You can put me down for a contribution of $10,000.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s do this. We can join forces with the other groups that want to save the Big U, and we can make this happen. But not by writing letters, or appealing to Congress or the NCL.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s BUY HER and SAVE HER.</p>
<p>Robert Gamer &#8216;New York to Le Harve, September, 1954&#8242;<br />
Franklin Lakes, NJ</p>
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		<title>By: Dan McSweeney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan McSweeney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This will be my final entry on this topic.

Robert, the Foundation has done absolutely nothing to help save the ship since the Conservancy was formed in 2004. Nothing.

I am proud beyond words to have worked with my fellow Conservancy members and supporters to help produce a major documentary on the ship, to host the first-ever ship&#039;s crew reunion, to hold very large annual meetings and other events, to have produced effective promotional material on the ship&#039;s history and current plight, to have developed an impressive network of supporters, to have stimulated significant media coverage, and to have been honest brokers on the situation with the ship.

If you call this &quot;being taken&quot;, I think you&#039;re a victim of your own &quot;yelling-from-the-roof-tops-no-holes-barred-advocacy approach&quot;. 

I will be a supporter of the ship to the bitter end, so I only wish your tactics had actually led to something, Robert. Anything. Regardless, I look forward to working with you as part of our emerging Coalition to Save the SS United States. Please, just let your future partners know what you&#039;re thinking so you don&#039;t hobble the larger effort.

It&#039;s a pity that Mr. Rubino misquoted you. I&#039;m not that surprised. It appears that there have been various &quot;plays&quot; going on with regard to this article. Lesson: You reap what you sow. I had a sense the reporter was up to something, hence I replied &quot;testily&quot;. (Has your readership spiked, Mr. Rubino?)

Good day, Mr. Westover. I&#039;ll speak to you on our conference call this evening.

Dan McSweeney

Oh, and to Mr. Gritz: Cheer up, brother. We&#039;ve just begun to fight. I wish we could count on your passion for the ship. Are you interested in helping out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This will be my final entry on this topic.</p>
<p>Robert, the Foundation has done absolutely nothing to help save the ship since the Conservancy was formed in 2004. Nothing.</p>
<p>I am proud beyond words to have worked with my fellow Conservancy members and supporters to help produce a major documentary on the ship, to host the first-ever ship&#8217;s crew reunion, to hold very large annual meetings and other events, to have produced effective promotional material on the ship&#8217;s history and current plight, to have developed an impressive network of supporters, to have stimulated significant media coverage, and to have been honest brokers on the situation with the ship.</p>
<p>If you call this &#8220;being taken&#8221;, I think you&#8217;re a victim of your own &#8220;yelling-from-the-roof-tops-no-holes-barred-advocacy approach&#8221;. </p>
<p>I will be a supporter of the ship to the bitter end, so I only wish your tactics had actually led to something, Robert. Anything. Regardless, I look forward to working with you as part of our emerging Coalition to Save the SS United States. Please, just let your future partners know what you&#8217;re thinking so you don&#8217;t hobble the larger effort.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a pity that Mr. Rubino misquoted you. I&#8217;m not that surprised. It appears that there have been various &#8220;plays&#8221; going on with regard to this article. Lesson: You reap what you sow. I had a sense the reporter was up to something, hence I replied &#8220;testily&#8221;. (Has your readership spiked, Mr. Rubino?)</p>
<p>Good day, Mr. Westover. I&#8217;ll speak to you on our conference call this evening.</p>
<p>Dan McSweeney</p>
<p>Oh, and to Mr. Gritz: Cheer up, brother. We&#8217;ve just begun to fight. I wish we could count on your passion for the ship. Are you interested in helping out?</p>
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		<title>By: david gritz</title>
		<link>http://ssunitedstatesconservancy.org/SSUS/blog/189/comment-page-1/#comment-25</link>
		<dc:creator>david gritz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a maritime enthusiast and member of the shipping fraternity, I have followed the saga of the United States for over thirty years. I have seen draft after draft of planned restorations, and read countless PR releases about a &quot;new&quot; SS United States.

In the meantime, the ship has deteriorated past all hope of restoration. I have seen it, and I know it&#039;s already gone. There is not enough left to save.

But I must tell you, gentlemen, that when the now inevitable and not-far-off day comes when the ship is towed to Alang, my only real emotion will be absolute and total satisfaction in the thought that I will never have to read another inane post by your conservancy groups. Either of them. All of them. 

You have done nothing. Your efforts were more than useless, they were ridiculous. You allowed yourselves to be split over pointless irrelevancies and thus reduced what might have been a real and powerful lobby to a pack of squabbling sentimentalists. 

There is nothing more you can do now. The economy is in recession, and this is not the time for grand dreams. Neither you nor the American people can afford them. The ship was once great, it is no longer.

Let it go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a maritime enthusiast and member of the shipping fraternity, I have followed the saga of the United States for over thirty years. I have seen draft after draft of planned restorations, and read countless PR releases about a &#8220;new&#8221; SS United States.</p>
<p>In the meantime, the ship has deteriorated past all hope of restoration. I have seen it, and I know it&#8217;s already gone. There is not enough left to save.</p>
<p>But I must tell you, gentlemen, that when the now inevitable and not-far-off day comes when the ship is towed to Alang, my only real emotion will be absolute and total satisfaction in the thought that I will never have to read another inane post by your conservancy groups. Either of them. All of them. </p>
<p>You have done nothing. Your efforts were more than useless, they were ridiculous. You allowed yourselves to be split over pointless irrelevancies and thus reduced what might have been a real and powerful lobby to a pack of squabbling sentimentalists. </p>
<p>There is nothing more you can do now. The economy is in recession, and this is not the time for grand dreams. Neither you nor the American people can afford them. The ship was once great, it is no longer.</p>
<p>Let it go.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Hudson Westover</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Hudson Westover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear SSUS Conservancy: Let me start by saying that yes I am pissed. I am furious. But not at those who have had the best interests of the Big U at heart. I do, however, vehemently disagree with and fault the approach the Conservancy took in “working” with NCL. I feel their energy was wasted on gatherings and documentaries. But their motives were noble. So, yes, I am back. But my yelling-from-the-roof-tops-no-holes-barred-advocacy approach should have never been gone in the first place.  I have a different style, a different approach to getting the word out. And this “approach” generated more media awareness for the ship than almost any historic site in the nation from 1998 to 2004 (a dozen placements in the New York Times, ABC World News, CNN and list goes on and on…). But what happened after 2004? A few national placements here and there? These six years have cost us enormously. And the setback can’t be so easily undone.  Face it, you’ve been taken. Get angry. Get real mad. Maybe that anger can be turned into what needs to happen now and it’s not continuing to “work” with NCL in anyway other then forcing them, demanding that they, not us, go to Congress and work for a proper restoration for the SS United States.  We are talking about a foreign owned corporation that has been given an exemption to cruise the Hawaiian waters from port-to-port allowing NCL a privilege accorded only to American owned maritime companies under the Jones Act. 

It is my strong belief, and that of many others, that working out a deal in Congress to save the SS United States is the least NCL can do after floating the hopes of so many for so long. So please spare us all the futile fundraising letters, the bake good sales, the “events” the pennies-from-school-children-saving-the-USS-Constitution-preservation metaphors. The good people of the Conservancy need to demand that NCL do something in Congress. They have the contacts, they have the phone numbers and email addresses. DO SOMETHING and stop focusing on my or the foundation’s tactics.

Robert Hudson Westover
Chairman,
SS United States Foundation
Washington, DC

BTW: Keep your eyes and ears open. Many feel that when the lowest tide of the year approaches this is when the United States will be towed away because her height keeps her from going under the Walt Whitman Bridge during other times.

Oh, and for the record, I never called NCL “evil” that was a misquote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear SSUS Conservancy: Let me start by saying that yes I am pissed. I am furious. But not at those who have had the best interests of the Big U at heart. I do, however, vehemently disagree with and fault the approach the Conservancy took in “working” with NCL. I feel their energy was wasted on gatherings and documentaries. But their motives were noble. So, yes, I am back. But my yelling-from-the-roof-tops-no-holes-barred-advocacy approach should have never been gone in the first place.  I have a different style, a different approach to getting the word out. And this “approach” generated more media awareness for the ship than almost any historic site in the nation from 1998 to 2004 (a dozen placements in the New York Times, ABC World News, CNN and list goes on and on…). But what happened after 2004? A few national placements here and there? These six years have cost us enormously. And the setback can’t be so easily undone.  Face it, you’ve been taken. Get angry. Get real mad. Maybe that anger can be turned into what needs to happen now and it’s not continuing to “work” with NCL in anyway other then forcing them, demanding that they, not us, go to Congress and work for a proper restoration for the SS United States.  We are talking about a foreign owned corporation that has been given an exemption to cruise the Hawaiian waters from port-to-port allowing NCL a privilege accorded only to American owned maritime companies under the Jones Act. </p>
<p>It is my strong belief, and that of many others, that working out a deal in Congress to save the SS United States is the least NCL can do after floating the hopes of so many for so long. So please spare us all the futile fundraising letters, the bake good sales, the “events” the pennies-from-school-children-saving-the-USS-Constitution-preservation metaphors. The good people of the Conservancy need to demand that NCL do something in Congress. They have the contacts, they have the phone numbers and email addresses. DO SOMETHING and stop focusing on my or the foundation’s tactics.</p>
<p>Robert Hudson Westover<br />
Chairman,<br />
SS United States Foundation<br />
Washington, DC</p>
<p>BTW: Keep your eyes and ears open. Many feel that when the lowest tide of the year approaches this is when the United States will be towed away because her height keeps her from going under the Walt Whitman Bridge during other times.</p>
<p>Oh, and for the record, I never called NCL “evil” that was a misquote.</p>
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